My journey with Btrfs - Part 2 Bis - Conversation IRC -

My conversation on #Btrfs . I had some questions after my first experience with Btrfs. Vaur            hello, I have setup a btrfs filesystem with raid 5 data, on two 2TB harddrives. I wanted to see what was btrfs doing with my datas, like how it was spreading it to my devices. but it seems to be behaving like a raid 1 Vaur            my questions are: is it normal for it to behave like this ? and if yes, why is it reporting to have 3.6 TiB free space, when it should have only 1.8 TiB ? kahiru          raid 5 on 2 drives? Vaur            yes kahiru          don't you need at least 3 drives for raid5? Vaur            kahiru: not with btrfs, the minimum requirement is 2 drives kahiru          cool, didn't know that Vaur            though with just 2 drives it looks exactly like a raid 1 Vaur            I'm guessing that with just 2 drives it's like a raid 1, and if you add more drives it will become a raid 5 Vaur            this is just a wild guess though, that's why I'm asking here kahiru          well, on my machine it doesn't let me to convert two drives to raid5 Vaur            kahiru: with btrfs ? kahiru          yeah Vaur            for me it created the raid just fine: http://paste.debian.net/414274/ kahiru          hmm, it works this way, but it shows me 8EiB free space (on 2x10GiB) and cannot be balanced to another profile. looks like a bug to me Vaur            8EiB ? what ? kahiru          seems broken a bit Vaur            agreed, what is your kernel version ? kahiru          4.4.3 Vaur            I'm running 4.3 Vaur            make a bug report ? darkling                With RAID-5 on two devices, yes, it's pretty much exactly like RAID-1. Vaur            darkling: alright, then why is it reporting to have 3.6 TiB of spaces ? Vaur            is it a bug ? darkling                Probably. Vaur            ok Vaur            darkling: humm it's weird, wiki says that in the case of 2HD RAID 5 one drive has the parity, the other got the data Zygo            if the parity is even, the parity bits are the data bits Zygo            i.e. for each bit, D1 ^ D2 == 0 Zygo            so they're equal Vaur            ok Vaur            but if my data drive fails, wont the parity drive be useless ? Zygo            only for two disks, though.  For three it's D1 ^ D2 ^ D3 == 0, and suddenly it matters which ones are data and which are parity darkling                There's no "data drive" and "parity drive". darkling                The parity location rotates around between them. darkling                If it didn't, it would be RAID-4. Vaur            quoting btrfs wiki: "In case of a 2 device RAID5 filesystem, one device has data and the other has parity data." darkling                Yeah, well, it's easier to say that than to explain all the mucky details. Zygo            that's a consequence of the way the math works in the two-disk special case Vaur            darkling: rotate ? darkling                It's functioanlly equivalent. darkling                The first 64k stripe puts parity on device 1, the second 64k stripe puts parity on device 2, and so on. darkling                (The starting device and the direction of rotation may be different) Zygo            if they're laid out with the right parameters, 2-disk raid5 and 2-disk raid1 are identical on the disk Zygo            so you have two identical disks, you could call one data and one parity, or you could call half the blocks on one data and the other half parity.  No difference on the disks. Vaur            ok Vaur            so if I got this right, half of the space in one disk contains data, the other half contains the parity for the second disk Vaur            are am I totally wrong ? darkling                That's about right. Vaur            alright darkling                And vice versa, of course. Zygo            the parity stripe rotates between the disks so that one disk doesn't become a bottleneck for writes darkling                I guess that's for the case with sub-stripe writes. Vaur            what happens if instead of having 2 hard-drive of similar size I had a 1TB and a 2TB ? darkling                Then you'd only get to use the first 1 TB of the larger devices. darkling                s/devices/device/ Vaur            alright Vaur            and if I had a 1TB to my existing array of 2 2TB, will it decrease the size of my array ? darkling                See http://carfax.org.uk/btrfs-usage for how unequal-sized devices get used. Zygo            in raid5 the data size is the total size of all the disks except the largest one Vaur            alright that's easier then darkling                Or if you *really* want to work it out yourself, I just posted the general algorithm to the mailing list. :) Vaur            so I cant add a 1TB to my existing 2 2TB file system, without reducing the total disk space darkling                Well, your existing 2TB device is single data. darkling                So if you add a new 1TB device and don't convert, you'll get a total of 3 TB of single data usable. darkling                If you add a new device and convert to RAID-1 or RAID-5, then yes, you'll drop from 2 TB usable to 1 TB usable. Vaur            ok darkling                Again, see the website tool above... Vaur            darkling: I did see it but sadly I dont understand it darkling                Put in the number of devices, set the size (in GB) for each device, select the RAID level you want, and read off the total usable space... Vaur            ok Vaur            the settings on the left was what throwing me off darkling                Those are for possible future config parameters. Vaur            ah I see now Vaur            thanks a lot for your answers and your time  

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